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March 31, 2011

March 26 – Women’s History Month – Fearless Females

March 26   –   What education did your mother receive? Your grandmothers? Great-grandmothers? Note any advanced degrees or special achievements.

I always remember my dear Mum being very proud that she won a Scholarship to attend a particular school when she was much younger.  The war came along and interfered with Mum’s education, especially as she was evacuated away from her home and family.  She won a Junior County Scholarship that allowed her entry into a very good school and her own mum found it hard to believe that her daughter did so well.

I have no idea about the education received by both my grandmothers or any of my great grandmothers.  I think this is something I need to look into, like school logs, as it might prove very interesting.

There is no family information passed down that has been specific about the education these female ancestors received and I have no knowledge of any degrees or special achievements attained by any of them.


March 7, 2011

March 4 – Women’s History Month – Fearless Females

I’m a bit late again doing this and the next two posts for Women’s History Month.  Partly because I could not find the blog prompts, but I’ve sorted that now!!  Partly because yesterday I had some internet connection problems again.  So, onto the next post for this theme.

March 4 – Do you have marriage records for your grandparents or great-grandparents? Write a post about where they were married and when. Any family stories about the wedding day? Post a photo too if you have one.

I have a marriage certificate for my maternal 2 x great grandparents.  Lucy Cook married Robert Waterman Dickins in October 1852 at Trinity Church, St. Marylebone, London. (The actual day in October that they married is very unclear).

Copy Certificate in my private collection - copyright 2011


As this theme is more about our female ancestors I shall write here all that I know about my 2 x great grandmother Lucy Cook.  She is the daughter of Thomas and Jane (nee Prangnell) Cook and was born at East Tytherley in Hampshire, UK.  She was born about 1831 so was just about 21 years (or full age) as shown in the marriage details.  Lucy’s brother Silas and sister Elizabeth are witnesses to her marriage to Robert Waterman Dickins.

Lucy and her husband Robert only had one child, a daughter Lucy (as far as I can tell).

At the time of their marriage Lucy Cook was living in the “Trinity District” and her husband was living in Devonshire Place, London.

I don’t know of any family stories about their Wedding Day and as yet, have not come across any photos of either Lucy or Robert.

They married at Trinity Church, St. Marylebone (this is Holy Trinity Church) and because I did not know much about it, I searched for it on the internet and discovered that it became disused as a Church and was lately used as offices.  Now there are plans to turn it into a shopping arcade!

 I also found this photograph of it:

Copy photograph from BWCD Co.


It does not look like the church has it’s roof any more.  I’m pleased I found this photo and can now picture where my 2 x great grandparents were for their big day.  I really hope this church does not get turned into a shopping arcade!!!

May 28, 2010

Ancestor Anniversaries: Lucy Dickins

Filed under: ANCESTOR ANNIVERSARIES, Lucy Dickins — Tags: , , , — rootsresearcher @ 11:36 pm

Today’s Ancestor Anniversary marks the Baptism on this day in 1854 of my maternal great grandmother Lucy Dickins.  Although she was born and died in London her Baptism took place in East Tytherley, Hampshire which is where Lucy’s mother’s family were from.

Lucy was born 29th March 1853 in Shoreditch in London and her parents moved to a few different places.  She married Edward George Dartnell on Christmas Day 1874 in Lambeth, Surrey and they had five children, one of which was my dear Gran, Lucy Sinclair.  (Just out of interest, the father of Lucy’s husband is the one mentioned in the Surprises! Category in the menu on the right who worked at the Atheneum Club).

Lucy died aged only 41 in 1894, and her husband went on to marry two other ladies later, but that’s another story!!

We are lucky to have a family bible which belonged to Lucy.  The inscription inside the front cover reads:  “Miss Lucy Dickens  from her affectionate Mother   March 29th 1865”   which would have been on Lucy’s 12th birthday.

I remember when I was much younger, my dear Gran mentioning her mother, and how I wish now that I had paid more attention to what Gran was saying as I really can’t remember the things she told me about Lucy Dickins.

May 24, 2010

Madness Monday: What did I do with it???

Filed under: DAILY BLOGGING THEMES, Madness Monday — Tags: , , — rootsresearcher @ 10:35 pm

Well I can only say that the madness today must be my own!!  Why was I so mad (or silly really) to not put information that I patiently retrieved from a very elderly relative a few years ago straight into my genealogy programme?  Why was I so mad (or silly) to store these notes in such a safe place that I could not find them?

Turn the clock back just a few years and you will find me asking my elderly Aunt questions about our relatives that she only just remembered who lived at Eastleigh in Hampshire!  After a lot of patient indirect questioning so she didn’t feel bombarded with intrusive questions, I managed to pick up names, places and lovely descriptions like “oh yes, the big house on the corner”  and “they had a big parrot you know” and “it was lovely visiting old Uncle Tom, we sat round the table, all of us, singing Little Brown Jug” and all sorts of other little bits of snippets to add to the main details I had collected.  I went home and put this info in a safe place in readiness to add to my genealogy programme very soon.  A few days later I researched this particular family group because although they were family, my Aunt could not quite remember which branch they were connected to!  I was very pleased with myself because I found the connection, made all sorts of notes to add to the ones I had taken with my Aunt and intended to add all this to my genealogy programme very soon!

Now to the present, and of course, you guessed it, I didn’t actually put that info on my programme anytime soon after getting the info.  But it was kept in a safe place in readiness for adding to that programme.

Now I have this newer, updated blog, I am sorting out all sorts of things to add to it and this in turn is getting me to do all the things I should have done a long time ago, like scanning photos and documents – all the things I kept meaning to do.

I decided I wanted to add a family tree chart for the family I had collected that information about from my Aunt a few years ago.  Oh my goodness, where is it?  What did I do with it?  I have piles of folders, files, papers and just so much stuff for my research after just over 20 years delving into the family but it is just toooooooo much to go through.

I saw my Aunt a few days ago, she is very soon to be 100 years old.  I reminded her of those relatives to see if she could remind me of the notes I had taken.  Sadly she can’t remember much at all now, not the names, not the places, but she does remember them all often sitting round the table singing Little Brown Jug!!  Well I was in despair, I knew I had the info somewhere but it would take me forever to find.  I could not believe just how silly (mad) I was not to do something with the information then and there when I collected it a few years ago.

So, I had a chat with my Mum, she is almost fifteen years younger than my Aunt so can remember more easily.  But, as she pointed out, she came along a long time after her brother and sisters and so did not really have anything to do with the relatives that I wanted the particular information about as they were very elderly and she was so young.  So, for the last few days  I was more in despair because I was beginning to feel that this info had been lost maybe forever!

I searched and searched through all my papers, but could not find this particular info.  To say I was down in the dumps doesn’t really decribe the feeling of annoyance with myself for not acting on it straight away.  I decided ok, I better search from scratch, there’s more on the internet now, so give it a go.  Well, I am delighted to say that I found the information I wanted on the internet after flitting from here and there to different sites and was very pleased with myself.

And you know what?  Guess what I found yesterday in my paperwork?  Yes, the original notes I took a few years ago chatting to my Aunt then and the follow-up notes I had done when I found the information to find the connection!!!!!  And it also confirmed what I found on the internet in the last couple of days, so I haven’t made any mistakes in trying to do this research again and doing it quickly.

Now, I am determined to get myself more organised.  Doing this blog is helping a lot with that.  I have started a Live Journal blog, but it is from me to only me and is now my To Do List place and where I will keep all the Notes and jottings I have accrued and forgotten about over the years – it’s surprising how many useful bits and pieces I have found while searching for those notes I collected a few years ago with my Aunt.  So I have started the Live Journal now and will have all sorts of bits and pieces in one place only, so I can dip into it and use it and hopefully never lose it!!  I’m sure I won’t be so mad (silly) again, I’ve learned my lesson!!!

May 13, 2010

Surprises! – Edward John Dartnell

Filed under: Edward John Dartnell, SURPRISES! — Tags: , , — rootsresearcher @ 6:09 pm

I recently dug out some old paperwork I had collected on my maternal Dartnell family and discovered that my 2 x great grandfather Edward John Dartnell was working in The Atheneum Club in Pall Mall, London. 

The 1851 Census shows that he was working at this Gentleman’s Club, so now I am off on a hunt to see if I can find staff records of sorts from that time.  I am hoping there is an archive for the Club somewhere as it is still going today and it would be very good to learn more about it.

copyright Mary Ann Sullivan

The Club where my 2 x great grandfather Edward John Dartnell was working in 1851

I’ve been having a browse on the internet to see what there is about the Atheneum and it’s so good to see the photos of  it – very grand!!  It must have been a wonderful place to work in, although probably very hard work at the time.

It’s going to be interesting finding out more about this!!

April 28, 2010

Wordless Wednesday: Who? When? Dickens or Dartnell? Definitely family!!

Filed under: DAILY BLOGGING THEMES, Wordless Wednesday — Tags: , , — rootsresearcher @ 12:53 am

This photo (digitally scrapped by me) is one from an album that only has family photos in it.  Sadly, no elderly surviving relatives can put a name to the pictured family.  We only know they are either from the DICKENS or DARTNELL side of my Mother’s family here in the UK.  Anyone out there good at dating old photos?  Any help gratefully received!!

Original photo in my private collection, this copy digitally scrapped by me - copyright 2010

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