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April 5, 2011

Tombstone Tuesday: Read of Lower Winchendon

What with one thing and another, I have missed adding Tombstone Tuesday posts here for the last couple of weeks.

Today I will be showing three tombstones concerning the family of Edward Read (1747 – 1808) who is one of the sons of my 6 x great grandfather Cozens Read.   These three tombstones stand immediately next to each other in the Read plot at Lower Winchendon, Buckinghamshire, UK  with barely any space between them.

When we took these photographs in 2000 it was very difficult, almost impossible even, to read the inscriptions on them.

Here is a photograph showing the three together.

Original photograph taken by me at Lower Winchendon in 2000 - copyright 2011


As you will see they are very weathered but it is possible to make out the name Edward Read on two of them and on the other one it is just possible to see that it says Edward & Mary Read, which means one must be for at least one of the twelve children that Edward and Mary had.

Original photograph taken by me at Lower Winchendon in 2000 - copyright 2011


The above tombstone has the name Edward Read on it.  There is space above his name so I think this may be for his wife Mary Read (nee Rose) who died in 1801 and although the family lived at Doddershall, Quainton I know that Mary was buried at Lower Winchendon.  This grave might also contain Edward Read as well.  He died in 1808 at Doddershall but again, like his wife Mary, he too is buried at Lower Winchendon.

Original photograph taken by me at Lower Winchendon in 2000 - copyright 2011


However, this middle tombstone also just has the name of Edward Read on it, so I am wondering if one of these two is for Edward and the other for his wife Mary?  Although not too clear, it is possible to see that the designs that were originally on the tombstones are very similar, a sort of matching pair for a husband and wife?

Original photograph taken by me at Lower Winchendon in 2000 - copyright 2011


As it is possible to read Edward and Mary Read on this tombstone I think it must contain one or more of their children.

Edward and Mary Read had twelve children and through a process of elimination I think this could be for their youngest child, Thomas, who died when he was fourteen years old at Doddershall, Quainton but who is buried at Lower Winchendon.  Ten of Edward and Mary’s children married and lived in either Quainton or Haddenham or Upper Winchendon.  I think the other child, William, who died aged about two years old in 1786 is probably included on one of the two tombstones that have just Edward Read’s name on that is possible to read. 

I’m hoping that at some stage over the years, someone, somewhere maybe took a transcript of the inscriptions on these three tombstones and then one day I might just find out which is the correct grave for each of this little family group!


March 1, 2011

Tombstone Tuesday: Thomas Rose (1777 – 1857

Today’s Tombstone Tuesday is about Thomas Rose (1777 – 1857).  He is the son of William Rose (1746 – 1801) and Mary (nee Read) (1739 – 1785) and grandson of my 6 x great grandfather Cozens Read.

In April 2000 I was lucky enough to visit Eythrope Park Farm in Buckinghamshire, home of the Rose family for many many years.  I have mentioned a couple of times in this blog that I was also lucky enough to be shown the huge Rose Family Tree book and was able to get so much detail from that about many of my ancestors.

For Thomas Rose it was noted that:   “Thomas Rose, unmarried, lodged for many years at the Angel Inn in Kingsbury, Aylesbury, then one of the foremost hotels in the town but it has now been moribund from some years”.  (This note was written in 1905).

Original photograph taken by me in Buckinghamshire in 2000 - copyright 2011


Thomas is buried in the Private Chapel called Waddesdon Hill Chapel.  I am showing some pics of the Chapel here too to share with my “new” cousins and particularly Judy who I found last week!  This sign explains who and why it was built.

Original photograph taken by me in Buckinghamshire in 2000 - copyright 2011


Here are a couple of photographs of the private Chapel built by my ancestor Francis Cox and where Thomas Rose and many others of the family are buried.

Original photograph taken by me in Buckinghamshire in 2000 - copyright 2011


Original photograph taken by me in Buckinghamshire in 2000 - copyright 2011


How I wish now that I had taken photos of all the other graves there, but at the time I did not know that many of my ancestors are at rest in the Chapel grounds!

If you look to the left of the Sign photograph and the left of the first photo of the Chapel you will see the wooden contraptions that were made (and are still there) so that anyone going to the chapel could tie their horses to it.

February 25, 2011

I’m Delighted! (There must be a much better word than that)!

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I cannot say just how very delighted I am to be in touch with three “new” cousins this week that found me through this blog.  Isn’t that wonderful?  I have now found several “new” cousins since I started this blog here almost a year ago, or rather I should say, they found me.  I’m so chuffed to bits.

I say I’m delighted but there must surely be a much better word that could be used for finding “new” cousins.  We will all have to see if we can initiate one word that will define to all just how delighted we are to find someone like this.

It’s going to be great to exchange info with Diana, whose grandfather Alfred Burrows was the nephew of my Stephen Read; with Rae whose Moyle family are related to my partner Paul (I’m researching his family history for him) and with Judy who is connected to the Rose family who are connected to my Reads.  Just wonderful!  🙂

January 26, 2011

I’ve been given an Ancestor Approved Award!!

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Well, I am just so very surprised and absolutely delighted to receive the Ancestor Approved Award from Aillin over at the Australian Genealogy Journeys blog.  Thank you Aillin. I am very honoured to receive it.

I have seen these Awards on other blogs but never thought for one minute that I would ever get one.  I’m not sure I deserve it after being absent from this blog for such a very long time (although it wasn’t my fault, it was the terrible internet connection problems I was having).

This Award was originally created by Leslie Ann Ballou of Ancestors Live Here and she asks two things of those that receive it.  She asks that the recipients of the Award should write ten surprising, humbling or enlightening aspects of their research and also asks that we then pass this on to ten other researchers whose family history blogs are doing their ancestors proud.

This has certainly made me think about what to write for the ten surprising, enlightening and humbling aspects of my own research!!  I have already written on the blog about various things that have surprised me or enlightened me although I’m not sure about writing about anything that was humbling.

I’m going to try to add things here that I have not written about on the blog yet and just hope I don’t ramble too much!!

Ten aspects in my research that have Surprised, Humbled and Enlightened Me!!

1.  I have been humbled, surprised and enlightened by my fellow genealogists (whether they are related or friends or even complete strangers to me) who have helped me over the years, with sharing information, photos (which I just so love), searching for things for me and all sorts of other things too many to mention here. I appreciate it so much and it’s nice to be able to thank them here.

2.  A few years ago I was extremely surprised to receive an email from a gentleman (Derek) who had found a message and my email address on a mailing list where I had posted it 5 years  before he found it!!  He was hoping I was using the same email address and it was just great as we are cousins.  I’ve posted messages to so many mailing lists over the years so I have to keep the email address, just in case …

3.  I am humbled by the kindness of a complete stranger in New Zealand who had agreed to take some gravestone pics of my other half Paul’s great uncle Joseph (b. 1882) and Joseph’s family.  What was also surprising is that she also went to the trouble of finding their death records and sent us copies of the death certificates for great uncle Joseph, his wife Elizabeth and their son William.  We can’t thank her enough for going to all that trouble for us.

4.  I am enlightened by the great amount of information that was on those death certificates from New Zealand.  So much more than our own (in the UK) certificates show.  They gave details of when they travelled to New Zealand, how many children they had, how many were living, their ages and so much much more.

5.  And while we are on the subject of New Zealand, I was so very surprised to find that my other half Paul’s great uncle Joseph’s brother Frederick (b. 1870) and his family also travelled to New Zealand, but the most surprising thing is that once there, having travelled all that way from the UK,  Joseph and Frederick went their separate ways!  And seemingly never had any more contact with each other!! 

6.  And regarding my other half Paul’s family, when Paul had turned 60 years old I was surprised to discover that he had a younger brother Nicholas John, born in 1949 but who very sadly died four days later.  Nicholas was never mentioned again by his parents.  We have now been searching for the burial place of Nicholas for ages without any luck so far.  It would be so nice for someone in the family to be able to pay their respects and leave him some flowers.  I find this so sad.

7.  I am very humbled by my 6 x great grandmother Elizabeth (nee Shirley) Read  (1713 – 1786).  I much admire her as I think she must have been an incredibly strong woman because she gave birth to 20 (and very possibly 21) children between 1735 and 1755.  This is at a time when there would not have been much or any medication and certainly none of the modern comforts we have these days like electricity and running water and so on that would be handy to have when giving birth/having so many children.  Fifteen of those children luckily survived to adulthood.  I just think she was a wonderful woman and it must have been so incredibly difficult for her at times.

8.  I was much enlightened by the wonderful Rose Family Tree book that I came across a few years ago whilst visiting an ancestor’s home (and which I have mentioned in the blog).  It was a complete surprise and we videoed(?) it all.  It gave completely detailed information of my ancestors, and included their dates of birth and death which is a terrific addition to have along with baptismal and burial dates.  It also gave details that so and so was the fourth daughter of so and so, or that someone was the only child or only son etc., and then gave details of who they married and who the parents were of the spouses and where they lived. To me, coming across this wonderful  family tree is a real gem – I’m still amazed that I actually saw it and recorded everything in it!!

9.  I am surprised and very intrigued as to why my paternal 2 x great grandfather Joel Mann gives different details about him, his wife and children in all the Censuses they appear in!!  I know it is the same family because for the Head and his wife although the names change a little or just show initials in some cases, the place of birth and ages for Joel and his wife Hannah are consistent throughout the Censuses and also for about thirty years or so, they lived at the same address.  Sometimes, where initials have been used, these have been reversed! I wonder what that was all about!!?

10.  Many years ago, whilst researching my Reads in Oxfordshire, I became aware that there were other Reads there whom I affectionately call the Rich Reads.  I was surprised to find that this particular group of Reads were incredibly rich, titled and have quite a history which is really fascinating.  But even more surprising, is that wherever they are, so are my Reads.  It became obvious through my research that there must be a connection between them, but it has proved extremely difficult to find that connection. I am now back to my 10th x great grandfather Read and trying to find his marriage – which from other details seems to point to the connection between my Reads and the Rich Reads.  It’s not wishful thinking to try to be connected to the Rich Reads.  I have done an incredible amount of research of both groups of Reads and there are just too many what I call “little coincidences” that show they more than likely are the same family.  But as we serious genealogists realise, it has to be proved.  So proving it is what I am trying to do and so far has taken a few years to do.

Goodness, if you have worked your way through reading that list of ten aspects of surprises, enlightenment and humbleness in my research, please now have a look at the blogs of the ten researchers I am happy to pass this Ancestor Approved Award on to.  Whilst choosing the ten, it has been very difficult to make the choice as there are just so many wonderful, interesting, fascinating blogs to see.  So I decided to choose blogs that don’t appear to have received an Award yet.  This is no disrespect to those of you who already have awards – it’s just so difficult to choose.

Ten Researchers Whose Blogs Are Doing Their Ancestors Proud!

(in blog name alphabetical order)

1.  A Geek Girl Does Genealogy  –  The Geek Girl

2.  Blundering Blindly Backwards  –  Rebecca

3.  But Now I’m Found  –  Jennifer

4.  Diary of a Mad Genealogist  –  Jen

5.  Forgotten Old Photos  –  Far Side of Fifty

6.  Gems of the Past  –  Joan

7.  Heirlooms Reunited  –  ToddHouse

8.  It’s All Relative  –  Laura

9.  Wishful Linking Family History Blog  –  Maria

10.  Yesterday’s Girl  –  (Sorry, I don’t know a name to show here)!

Please visit these blogs, I’m sure you will find them as interesting as I do.  Thanks again so much to Aillin for giving me the wonderful Ancestor Approved Award – I can’t stop smiling!!  😉

August 10, 2010

Tombstone Tuesday: Stephen Read (1755 – 1842)

I have many ancestors that I have discovered over quite a number of years, but there are a certain few that I feel more fond of for some reason. Possibly because I have done more research on them or maybe even because of how I imagine them to have been. Stephen is one of those “certain few” ancestors!!

Stephen Read (1755 – 1842) is the youngest child of my 6 x great grandfather Cozens Read and it was Stephen’s Will that I blogged about yesterday for Amanuensis Monday.

If you read that post you will see that I put his age at 76 when he died, but it wasn’t until I looked at his Death Certificate again that I realised that was showing his age incorrectly!  He was actually 86 years old when he died and I know that is correct as I have a copy of his Baptism entry at St. Nicholas Church, Nether Winchendon, Buckinghamshire in 1755 and I have a copy of his Death Certificate dated 1842 and his Will proved in 1842.

He married Ann (Nanny) Rose in 1783 in Nether Winchendon and they went on to have 12 children. They appear to have travelled about a bit as the first two children were born in Nether Winchendon, the next five children born in Great Haseley, Oxfordshire and the last five children born in Cuddington, Buckinghamshire.  I know from Land Tax Assessments that the family also lived at Little Haseley for a number of years and that Stephen and Ann’s final years were in Thame, Oxfordshire.

The photo for Stephen’s tombstone is a little disappointing in that most of the Inscription has vanished over time.  I know from visits to Thame ten years ago that this is his tombstone, as it could just about be read then and that it also includes his wife Ann.  This photo was sent by a “new” cousin, who visited the area two or three years ago.

original photograph taken at Thame, Oxfordshire by D. Read. This photograph in my private collection - copyright 2010

In Stephen’s Will he leaves legacies to his eight children and I have managed to discover what happened to them with the exception of three of them.  He leaves legacies to the children of his son Stephen who died a number of years before and three of his children died as babies/toddlers.

My Amanuensis Monday post featuring Stephen’s Will mentions a couple of intriguing queries I really must follow up, so I daresay Stephen will remain as one of my “chosen few” ancestors who hold a more special place in my heart!!

May 19, 2010

Ancestor Anniversaries: Joseph Frederic Elliott

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Today’s Ancestor Anniversary is to remember the birthday of Joseph Frederic Elliott who was born this day in 1857 in Fingest, Buckinghamshire.

By the time he was 27 years old, he was widowed and then at that age married for the second time in 1884 at Long Crendon, Buckinghamshire  to Lucy Rose who was a fair bit older than him at age 39 when they married.  As far as I have discovered so far Joseph and Lucy had one child, Annie, born in 1886.

The 1881 Census shows that Joseph’s first wife was called Esther aged 22 and they were living in Northchurch, Hertfordshire.

This is a photo of Joseph and Lucy on their Wedding Day at Long Crendon in 1884

Photo in my private collection copyright 2010

You can see the full wedding photo on the Paternal Side Ancestor Photos

I can’t help thinking that Joseph looks very sad in this photo and if you zoom in, it looks like he has a faraway look in his eyes and it is almost as if he was wanting to be somewhere else!  Maybe this wedding brought back memories of his first wedding?  I hope his marriage to Lucy brought him some happiness.

I have more researching to do regarding both Joseph and Lucy, so it will be interesting to see what became of them.



May 17, 2010

Ancestor Anniversaries – Elizabeth Rose

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I have a second Ancestor Anniversary today, this time it is the birthday of Elizabeth Rose born in 1775 probably at Eythrope Park Farm at Upper Winchendon, Buckinghamshire.  She is the daughter of William Rose and Mary Read and Elizabeth is the granddaughter of my 6 x great grandfather Cozens Read.

Elizabeth is one of 7 children and married her cousin Robert May in 1800 at Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire.  Robert is the son of Richard May and Jane Read.  Jane is the sister of Elizabeth’s mother Mary.

I have only so far found one child from the marriage of Elizabeth Rose to Robert May and so there is a fair bit more searching to do!!

May 14, 2010

Ancestor Anniversaries: Sarah Rose

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The Ancestor Anniversary for today is that of Sarah Rose.  She is the 2 x great granddaughter to my 6 x great grandfather Cozens Read and today is her death anniversary, in 1865.

Sarah died at age 31 and her birthdate and death date I found in the huge Rose Family Tree book I was lucky enough to see some years ago, and which I mention elsewhere in this blogsite.  I possibly need to get her death cert to ascertain how she died, but I rather suspect it was in childbirth (or as a result of it) as this is almost the same time she had her third child.

Sarah’s husband was Francis Cox and he too is a 2 x great grandson of my 6 x great grandfather Cozens Read.  (I seem to have quite a number of couples who share Cozens Read in my tree)!!

The Rose family and Cox family are very intertwined and also because four Roses married four of Cozens Read’s children, they are rather intertwined with my people too!

It’s very sad that Sarah died so young, but as the family seem to have been “comfortable” with their finances, let’s hope she had a worry-free and enjoyable short life.

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